Comments on: Jacqui Smith, the new Queen of ID cards.

By: moon23

moon23 — Thu, 16 Aug 2007 11:35:13 +0000

It’s slightly dodgy legal ground the government are on as far as I can gather. The Bill of Rights is meant to protect people from bring fined for criminal offenses unless they have been charged in a court of law. However like parking tickets there are times at which the government attempts to levy fines against individual without them appearing in court. Failing to update personal details on your ID card etc will result in the Secretary of State imposing Civil Penalties against individuals. See Sec 31 of the Idenity Cards Act 2006 (http://www.opsi.gov.uk/ACTS/acts2006/ukpga_20060015_en.pdf).

The penalties will be enforced by court sheriffs not necessarily private debt collecting firms. Although with outsourcing who knows? Perhaps the government will privatize enforcement of the act?

The Bailiff solution avoids people having their day in court as with what happened with the Poll Tax. However local support networks could easily provide a means of defense against Bailiffs.

If you want more information have a look at some of the debates on the NO2ID forum. http://forum.no2id.net/viewtopic.php?t=15146&highlight=fines

I’m not legal expert so this is just MY understanding!

By: Anne Palmer

Anne Palmer — Thu, 16 Aug 2007 10:23:09 +0000

I want more information on the use of the Bailiffs and Civil Law on the refusal to have an ID Card. Bailiffs are usually debt collectors for private firms. Direct Government Legislation -Wrong waste in the wrong bin-fine, fine not paid, spell in HM Prison. I am aware the government do not want any martyrs on this issue, that is exactly wHY they have come up with the Bailiffs situation but it is Legal? Is it the legislation being used for the right reason? Surely it is civil law? Please enlighten me?

By: Geeklawyer

Geeklawyer — Tue, 03 Jul 2007 11:54:21 +0000

Let’s be clear: These people work for us and not the other way round!

Wow! that’s pretty old school. I wish it were true but increasingly we seem to live in an elected tyranny. I hope Brown will be different but I reckon in the long term he will be just as bad as Blair. The corrupting power of the One True Ring is infinite.

By: moon23

moon23 — Fri, 29 Jun 2007 13:02:58 +0000

Yes I agree Rodger, my only fear is that many people will be tricked into having and ID card and handing over the personal biometric information as they will be introduced slowly through the passport system. It will need us all to stand together against these people and the techniques such as fixed penalty fines and bailiffs they will try and use against us.

Lets Hope Jacqui and Brown will change their views when they realize how unpopular this scheme will make them.

By: Roger Tidy

Roger Tidy — Fri, 29 Jun 2007 12:23:46 +0000

Let’s be clear: These people work for us and not the other way round! The British people have neither the desire nor the need to carry an ID card. We are individuals; we do not belong to the state. These people have truly become too big for their boots. So much so that they even have the bare-faced audacity to demand that we pay for the very card that will brand us slaves of the state. I say to hell with their ID cards. If we all refuse under any circumstances to cooperate, their scheme will collapse ignominiously in the same way as we managed to kill off the poll tax.